[OAI-implementers] Support for Tim Cole's comments
Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:29:03 +1100
On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 01:13:01PM -0500, Caroline Arms wrote:
> We would certainly be interested in hearing from harvesters if our chunks
> are annoyingly small and if our short expiry times are causing problems.
> We made implementation decisions for these based on no information and
> would be happy to reconsider based on real experience.
I don't have any hard evidence at present, but here are my initial
impressions (personal opinions! :-).
I have not yet experienced any problems with timeouts (that looked
like problems with timeouts) - except one, where the data provider
told me that was what a problem was due to.
Different sites have used different chunk sizes. I think the smallest
was 5 records and the largest 7,500 records (the whole collection!).
Both worked. 100 to 200 seemed more common.
It terms of network bandwidth, since records tend to be 1k to 2k long
on average (with DC metadata anyway in my limited experience), 100
records forming a 100kb packet seems fine when connecting from here
in Australia over to all the other countries tried.
As a (play) harvester, I would rather not see packets get too big.
For the site with 7,500 records, that would have been around a single
7.5mb packet. This is starting to get on the large size in terms
of memory management etc.
The counter side however is that remotely, network delays are
substantial. That is, the length of time to do a round trip across
the globe is significant. To download a site with 5 records per
packet (5kb) for a very large site may never finish! Most time
would be spent waiting rather than transferring.
One thing that I think sometimes people forget is that there are
really two distinct phases to havesting. OAI is designed well
for the second phase of keeping up to date with metadata on the
site. 5 records per packet is probably fine for many sites because
the sites are pretty static. Only one or two packets per day are
probably needed. But the first phase is where you add a new site
to the list of sites you manage. At this time, you have to get
everything. OAI (in my opinion) does not do a very good job here
yet. Because the harvester does not know the date/time stamp
distribution of data on the source site, it is hard to automatically
ask for multiple requests to get data from=X to=Y to get reasonable
chunk sites (for recovery purposes). Instead, I would rather a
harvester be able to say 'give me everything', but be given hints
to help with recovery in case things go wrong before finishing the
whole transfer. (Hence my suggested optional 'there is more coming,
but you have everything up to this date guaranteed in case you need
to start again with a network failure.)
So 100 to 1000 records per chunk seems like a good compromise to me,
even for static sites where only 1 or 2 updates are expected per
progressive update. I would not be daunted by 1000 records per packet
(if records are about 1kb) because 1mb is not really that much data
these days (others might disagree). Going beyond that I suspect the
overheads of multiple HTTP requests wont impact performance too much
so there is not much need to go bigger.
But others with more experience may have other suggestions. All this
sort of thing surely has been worked out before with protocols such